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the Ground Zero kerfluffle
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wrenn From: wrenn Date: August 19th, 2010 08:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Cite your sources or note specifics for the 'Tons of evidence'. Otherwise it's just like 'I heard some rumor that he's a bad guy'. As far as i can find, he has consistently denounced terrorism, and violence committed in the name of religion.

I've been watching this closely and I've seen a lot of cherry picking of parts and phrases of what this imam has said and not his whole phrasing. I've seen things titled 'Imam Raul blames the US for 9-11' and then get down into the original commentary and find that he said some of the US middle east policies over the 70s and 80s (like arming militants in Afghanistan against the USSR) caused the cultural issues that lead to things like 9-11, which is something that most historians believe anyway, and not the same thing as 'blaming the US for 9-11'.

The man is a Sufi. He's a muslim who emigrated to the US from Kuwait in his teens, and has always lived in the NYC area. He went to Columbia, and is a physicist. He's been the imam of a mosque 11 blocks from the WTC site since 1983, a very liberal mosque, with a congregation that encompasses asian, middle eastern, african and american muslims. He has a history of interfaith dialogue, and he did denounce the attacks right after 9-11 as not being 'Islam'. WOW Sounds so very extremist, doesn't he?

ladyariadne From: ladyariadne Date: August 19th, 2010 10:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I did my own research you do your own. You obviously ignored a lot.

Either way the proof will be in the pudding. Simple as that.
dewline From: dewline Date: August 20th, 2010 12:40 am (UTC) (Link)
So you're refusing to cite your sources.
alandd From: alandd Date: August 20th, 2010 01:42 am (UTC) (Link)
that implies there are sources, which I doubt - there might be ONE source (faux snooze) which gets repeated, but it would be hard to show multiple sources.
dewline From: dewline Date: August 20th, 2010 03:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
And now we have our "answer" below.

Ah well...
ladyariadne From: ladyariadne Date: August 20th, 2010 08:27 am (UTC) (Link)
yes and no. I dont keep indexes of my sources for years upon years.. I do my reading and my cross referencing and that's that. I dont keep little lists to make you or any other person happy. I have a life.

I know what I saw. What i heard. what I read. I am not here to do yours for you.

Believe what you want. You all obviously are anyway.
ladyariadne From: ladyariadne Date: September 1st, 2010 02:26 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes and no.

I dont have the time nor the access to redo ten years of reading and listening to sate you.

You wont like it, but hey, I have a life I have to live first.
ladyariadne From: ladyariadne Date: September 1st, 2010 02:19 am (UTC) (Link)
Sorry for the delay. I have limited access to this.

Its from many tings I have read, seen and heard since 9-11. No i dont keep all my sources. But I do remember. So no I cant and wont show you them becasue its just not possible. And I simply dont have the time nor energy to do it all againt for you people.

I personally listeend to the Imamas whole speech once. So I wasnt listeneing to cherry picked parts.

Its coming down to you beleive what you will.. as will I. Hey.. no one thought all those Russian spies were spies either. They were all such good and nice people....

And it will all come out the wash.. and in that end we will see whose right or not.

I, Personally, will err on the side of caution. You do not have to.
dewline From: dewline Date: September 1st, 2010 02:48 am (UTC) (Link)
As I recall, the Sufi are roughly - the approximation is likely not a perfect fit - the Muslim version of the Quaker movement? Yes?
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