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four years later - KRAD's Inaccurate Guide to Life
ramblings from a mad fedora'd writer
four years later
I was at a comics convention today and had dinner with a bunch of New England Browncoats tonight, and so didn't really think much on today's anniversary. Whenever I do think about it, I think about everything that's happened in the last four years, and come to the inevitable conclusion that the attack was a success. Osama bin Laden wanted to destroy our way of life. The last four years have done a great deal to erode that way of life, as our country becomes less and less of a democracy, as civil rights and freedoms are eroded and/or removed in the name of a nonexistent security, and as power is consolidated waaaay too much into the extremist wing of one party thanks to the politics of fear and the ability to somehow convince people that the party in power during the worst terrorist attack on our soil are the only ones who can protect us from a terrorist attack.

Our economy is in the toilet. The attacks four years ago have been used as a feeble justification for a war that has gone on for far too long, with a cost in human lives and money that is appalling. The rest of the world despises us, a 180-degree turnaround from what it was four years ago.

And now our government has utterly failed us in every possible way during a brutal natural disaster.

Nice job, Osama.

Current Mood: bone-weary
Current Music: "Downtown" by Tom Waits

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elite From: elite Date: September 12th, 2005 05:50 am (UTC) (Link)
I haven't thought about it in that particular way before, but it's so true. It makes me feel sick.
debg From: debg Date: September 12th, 2005 07:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I said, as soon as the Patriot Act was passed, that the terrorists had officially won, because we'd just validated the terrorists by doing exactly what they supposedly had wanted: losing our freedom and giving up our way of life to an iron-fisted government.

I was called some interesting names, even by those who really should have known better.

Playing Cassandra - yelling "Dudes! Big wooden horse? It's FULL OF GREEK SOLDIERS!" - is no damned fun.

And yes, indeed. Nice job, Osama.
rainfletcher From: rainfletcher Date: September 12th, 2005 11:50 am (UTC) (Link)
Sadly, no one likes a Cassandra. Which is a real shame - it would be nice to listen to the people with insight before all hell breaks loose...

Also sadly, the typical response to pointing something like this out to people tends to be along the lines of "Well, then you can just leave if you don't like America!" Until such time as people realize that there are better ways to love your country, I'm skeered...
debg From: debg Date: September 12th, 2005 03:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I didn't get much of the "love it or leave it" crap. I got - from friends who lay claim to either left-liberal or libertarian - "don't be ridiculous, the government may be crappy but they aren't trying to take our freedoms away, you've been watching too many movies".

No, dudes, I really haven't. Wake up and smell the Halliburton.

So I stopped trying.
romulantbonz From: romulantbonz Date: September 12th, 2005 07:06 am (UTC) (Link)
One quibble.

We've been heartily disliked for a long time. Sept 11 2001 may have increased that, but anti-Americanism has been thriving for quite some time, before 2001.

But I agree about the rest. We need to get the hell out of Iraq. What a mess.
kradical From: kradical Date: September 12th, 2005 07:14 am (UTC) (Link)
You're missing my point. Two points, actually. First of all, we generally had a good relationship with the rest of the world -- for somebody who was supposed to know jack shit about foreign policy, Bill Clinton did a pretty good job of working with other countries, building bridges and coalitions. To be fair, George H.W. Bush did likewise, working with foreign allies, not running roughshod over them.

Secondly, the entire world was in our corner on 11 September 2001. We had the goodwill of the entire world in sympathy for what happened. And in the last four years, the most goodwill we've ever had toward us has been pissed away by the imbecility of the Bush Administration.
romulantbonz From: romulantbonz Date: September 12th, 2005 07:59 am (UTC) (Link)
Can't argue with that. :/ And I don't see it getting better in the near future.
roaringmice From: roaringmice Date: September 12th, 2005 02:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
To your first point - the US had fairly good relationships with other countries' governments, but in terms of the personal feelings of the people of those countries? Even prior to 9/11, that wasn't always positive.

When I lived in Europe, in a very pro-US country, my sense was that the people were torn about America, and Americans. In fact, one of my friends baldly said that he hated Americans and America - the attitudes, the culture, the government. Yet he'd applied for a visa, and he listened to American music, and wore American clothing, and had American friends (although he'd said those individuals were different from most Americans).

That said, your second point is 100% correct - the US had the world on its side and pissed it away.
sheriffjoe From: sheriffjoe Date: September 12th, 2005 02:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
So, rather than praise Osama for his successes, why not give credit where credit is due. Thanks Dubyuh for a job well done. You've managed to completely destroy everything that this country is about in your short time as dictator. Thank you very bloody much!
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 12th, 2005 06:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

For your amusement...

Don't have time to respond today, Keith, but just to show you I'm a good sport and can take a joke as well as the next guy, I thought you would appreciate this actual screen capture from a European news cast:



kradical From: kradical Date: September 13th, 2005 02:26 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: For your amusement...

Already saw the picture, and was highly amused by same. *grin*
From: klukerspud Date: September 13th, 2005 04:17 am (UTC) (Link)
During the radio talk shows that aired during the 72 hours after the attacks, a pair of local DJs made the comment that they were glad that "the adults" are in charge again. Basically, they were claiming that don't think that the Clinton administration could handle it and the more militant Bush camp could.

Now that Colin Powell has resigned from the administration, I can't help thinking that it would have been better had Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld actually been killed that day - I've never wished that on anyone before and it's not a nice thing to say. I just can't help to think how rich they've gotten off the blood of millions of Americans and Iraqis. I used to be a Republican, but these guys just make me sick.

We've been through two world wars, the assasination of JFK, and Vietnam - we'll get through this. I just can't wait until 2008 when this guy leaves. If Cheney is elected President, I'm leaving - the man has no soul.
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thehey From: thehey Date: September 14th, 2005 02:43 am (UTC) (Link)
Y'know....I thought about that myself.

I cannot really say if I totally believe that the attacks wouldn't have happened with Gore in office, but the mere fact that we are thinking that way says volumes about what we think about Dub the Dumbass.

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